Any kind of analysis of the Godhra train incident implies that we endorse Sangh Parivar's bigoted view that if Muslims burnt the train, innocent Muslims deserved to be killed in the riots thereafter. This narrative is very disturbing but still finds space in sensible societies -> "A kills B, so C must kill D. Where A, B, C and D are 4 different individuals.". All that you are trying to say that it was not a pre-planned attack. This attack happened just 6 months after the Gujarat riots, it was clearly aimed at disturbing the troubled water. Step 1 is to prove that he was lying. It was a conspiracy, the court says but nobody knows who lit the match. What is not in doubt is that there was a mob attack on the train and that scores were killed or injured. It is likely that the conspirators had decided to burn a coach of this train as it used to pass Godhra during the night. <<<>>> This is typical response of those who call themselves secular. Your email address will not be published. SIT report cites several instances. We oppose the death penalty. Pl. Are Indians fraudulent, dishonest, corrupt, arrogant, boastful? Photograph:( In the 1984 and 1992-93 cases, the justice process is stalled despite numerous inquiries. Did Modi try to use his resources? Who do you think should take moral responsibility for the failure? Do they speak loudly and bother others in public places? Twitter blocked my backup account, then I’ve somehow managed to get back my main account. "In this Godhra Train Burning incident it got burnt either from outside or inside the train." Further, army units were instantly provided with vehicles and mobile phones for better co-ordination. Gujrat Godhra Train Burnt, Attack or Accident, WHATS the TRUTH ? I believe his case will ultimately be decided by the Godhra train burining appeal currently in the High Court. Into India or Out of India? The site where the train stopped is an elevated bund. The train was not burnt at the railway station, but at Signal Falia. Written By: Meenakshi Ganguly. Only then can it be determined whethere was an accidental burning by a “Muslim mob”, or by some single fool who threw fire in such a way that the train caught fire, or whether there was a PLANNED CONSPIRACY. But the seculars keep talking about justice without delivering it. Now show me HOW it was possible for the Godhra train to have got burnt in the manner of these official reports. It is well known that Indian police is under staffed, under-trained and under-paid. So I request you please tell me what exactly you are saying. The fundamental thing is justice. The train reached Godhra station at 7.30 a.m. on February 27, 2002. The tragedy of the incident did not end there but spilled into a terrible riot across the state of Gujarat. Second thing that you are trying to say is Modi said “ISI did it”, which was wrong. 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Even if we assume that the Godhra train burning was a pre-planned act of terrorist, it does not justify the senseless murder of a thousand innocent Muslims who had nothing to do with the train burning. 2. Complaint to the International Criminal Court | Xi Jinping’s use of hysteria as warfare. When an analysis is to be done, it has to be done in an objective way without any bias. Please check the proofs I’ve provided very carefully, since I’ve spend a HUGE amount of time researching them. In any event, no evidence exists of any prior intent to kill. I’m shreeding the official story into pieces, and you are offering me pitiable babble. Under the Indian constitution, everyone has the right to a fair trial and the right of appeal. So analysis should take that into mind. Riots continued for 5-6 days and thousands of people continued to indulge in violence. At any point of time, there are some 250 hawkers on the station. The mass attacks on Sikhs in 1984 after the Indira Gandhi assassination, the 1992-93 attacks on Muslims around the demolition of the Babri Masjid, and then the 2002 attacks on Muslims, killing hundreds after 59 Hindus died during a mob attack on the Sabarmati Express. In February 2002, thousands of devotees of Lord Rama (known as "Ramsevaks" or "Kar Sevaks") had gone from Gujarat to Ayodhya at the behest of the Vishva Hindu Parishad to take part in a ceremony called the Purnahuti Maha Yagna. He jumped to accuse, and excited the entire Gujarat. However, for Modi, the test is different. There have been various inquiries into the circumstances that led to the horrible deaths of 59 people on the Sabarmati Express. File photo: Coach S6 of the Sabarmati Express that was burnt on February 27, 2002. 59 people are burnt to death in a well-planned attack at Godhra. My interest is different. Your email address will not be published. There *is* only an inside and an outside of a train. Because they didnt believe that state will deliver justice. My Times of India articles | My Times of India blog and planned articles, Becoming Rich and Powerful: A Primer for the Citizens of Pakistan, India and Bangladesh, Seeing the Invisible: A book on economics for children, Scientific Hinduism Book 1: The role of meat in a healthy diet, Scientific Hinduism Book 2: Brahminical (caste) Hinduism: a system of institutionalised oppression. This narrative is very disturbing but still finds space in sensible societies -> "A kills B, so… Godhra train burning convict on death row jumps parole. We will seek the prosecution of someone responsible for a crime, but will then defend the right of that same accused to a fair trial. News18.com He did MANY other things to aggravate: give dead bodies to VHP. In the current version pl. The kind of modernization of police that is happening in Gujarat is never been talked. This is really bad. Required fields are marked *, Select language:Hindi English(Press F12 to change language)Show Keyboard. He NEEDS the shelter of Godhra burning being PRE-PLANNED in order to protect himself from the charge of INCITEMENT TO MURDER. Further, these seculars conveniently forget to mention how Gujarat remained quiet when Akshardham was attacked. The Great Hysteria and The Broken State– In this book I show why this is no Spanish flu and why lockdowns amount to public health terrorism. If that is the case, then he is implicated as having AGGRAVATED and INCITED violence. I have SEVERE RSI. 4. Was there any justice in those riots? On 27 February 2002, fifty-nine Hindu pilgrims, returning from Ayodhya after a religious ceremony at the Ram Temple site were burnt alive in the S-6 coach of Sabarmati Express. (Express archive photo) The Gujarat High Court on Monday commuted the death sentence awarded to 11 convicts to life term in the Godhra train burning case of 2002. Sixteen years ago, a train coach was burnt with its passengers still inside. Both print and Kindle versions are now available. download http://sanjeev.sabhlokcity.com/Misc/The-truth-about-Modi.doc. 3. Sadly Sanjeev continues to ignore this aspect and prefers traditional myths that are propagated. For each person who died, there has to be a separate process of justice. that Nanawati said there were a few people from the mob who carried 140 litres of petrol into the train and burnt it. Particularly, in comparison to the case filed on Godhra? When there was a violence inculcated by a community, why did the people react with violence? Do read the judgement. As the train started leaving the platform, someone pull… This was 500-700 meters away from the Godhra railway station, at Signal Falia area. I need to know HOW PRECISELY the train got burnt. The end of Trump can be the beginning of America, Finally, a president acknowledges White supremacy. Eleven men are sentenced to death for setting fire to a passenger train in the Indian town of Godhra in 2002, killing dozens of Hindu pilgrims. The High Court has upheld convictions after hearing appeals. Other stuff you say is irrelevant so I’ll ignore. I’ve read/scanned nearly 3000 pages and 12 hours of video. (2) I do not publish sponsored articles – any such requests will be marked to spam. How can we explain the superior (on average) intellectual performance of the Brahmin ‘caste’. (1) Feel free to republish my posts with attribution: no need to ask. The horrific burning of 59 Hindus in coach S-6 of the Sabarmati Express at Godhra on 27 February 2002 and the deadly Muslim pogrom that followed is one of the worst ruptures in recent Indian history. As a human rights activist, in a situation like this, how do you decide whose side you take? These seculars ignore the fact that Gujarat has always been riot prone. This entry was posted in Current Affairs, India. Godhra Revisited Surely there should be an independent judicial commission to probe the identity of the burnt victims and how was it that all but four reserved passengers were not … ... On 7–5–2002, we inspected the coach and the site where it was burnt. Modi: He is implicated because he did NOT call for an inquiry. « This is how the train MIGHT HAVE gotten burnt. Initially, 11 of the perpetrators of the Godhra carnage were given death sentences. Some of them carry stoves with kerosene in them. The High Court, on October 10, ruled on an appeal in the Godhra case, commuting 11 death sentences to life imprisonment. Did Rig Vedic gods and Sanskrit come to India or go out of India? Godhra train burning was an incident that occurred on the morning of 27 February 2002, in which 59 people died in a fire inside the Sabarmati Express train near the Godhra railway station in the Indian state of Gujarat. The Godhra Train Burning was an incident that occurred on the morning of 27 February 2002, in which 59 Hindu pilgrims and karsevaks returning from Ayodhya, were killed in a fire inside the Sabarmati Express train near the Godhra railway station in the Indian state of Gujarat. WION spoke to human rights activist and the Director of Human Rights Watch in South Asia, Meenakshi Ganguly on the issue. Further, I have read parts of SIT report. It has, however, we believe also upheld humane principles and commuted the death penalty to life imprisonment. You don’t. Sarfy mentioned this on FB: Any kind of analysis of the Godhra train incident implies that we endorse Sangh Parivar's bigoted view that if Muslims burnt the train, innocent Muslims deserved to be killed in the riots thereafter. Why does this alleged “vaccine” not stop transmission of the virus? ). Yet NANAWATI ADMITS THAT NO ONE SAW THIS PETROL BEING CARRIED. You say: Nanavati Commission has said “Muslim mob burnt the train”. Justice and prosperity alone can be the basis of lasting peace. That was certainly not under Modi’s control since he had barely joined. etc. Modern Business by Slocum Studio. The High Court has ordered the state to bear responsibility and pay compensation to the victims. What followed was violence on a scale the State had never seen before. Stockholm riots in 2013 also continued for atleast 10 days. 6. Now, only one person in India is acutely aware of this: Modi himself. Thereafter it becomes a clear case of INCITEMENT TO MURDER – which is a major crime. Yes, but you haven’t read the report and the Patel judge’s report. And his total involvement in liquidation of key witnesses, killing innocents like Ishrat Jahan to justify that he was “under attack”, etc. Reuters Coach S-6 of the Sabarmati Express, in which 59 people, mostly 'kar sevaks' returning from Ayodhya were travelling, was burnt on February 27, 2002 at the Godhra station, triggering riots in the state. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.127.116.11 10:33, 27 July 2008 (UTC) Inconsistencies etc. But he likely misused his position of authority to ensure that hundreds of innocents got killed. 1. My online blog in Times of India: Seeing the Invisible. One question, Nanavati Commission had rejected that Sofia story. Many other things, too. Have Scott Morrison and Daniel Andrews (or their parties) been PAID BY VACCINE COMPANIES? Twitter account frozen for posting the truth about covid. His response in the riots can only depend on the resources available at his disposal. In the next 2-3 yrs, Guj will become the first state to have no pending cases in courts. How does that implicate Modi? Modi tookover in 2001, barely 6 months before the riots. This man is a KILLING MACHINE. Public Servant Forever – copy of original India Today article, Complaint to the International Criminal Court. On Sunday morning, a railway coach was set on fire in Vadodara to recreate 2002's Godhra train burning incident for Prime Minister Narendra Modi's biopic, reports IE.. Jat Mahapanchayat was convened and demanded justice. I am afraid the author hasnt done that. This was when Operation Parakram was going on the border with pakistan. A special Special Investigative Team (SIT) court on Wednesday (March 20) sentenced convict Yakub Pataliya to life imprisonment in 2002 Godhra train carnage case. Godhra – Waiting For Justice One event that changed the political discourse of this country was the burning of the S-6 coach of the Sabarmati Express on 27th February, 2002, that resulted in the tragic death of 58 passengers travelling in the coach including … located in the administrative territorial entity: Godhra The Godhra Train Burning was an incident that occurred on the morning of 27 February 2002, in which 58 Hindu pilgrims karsevaks returning from Ayodhya, were killed in a fire inside the Sabarmati Express train near the Godhra railway station in the Indian state of Gujarat.. The court, has, however, upheld the life sentence awarded to 20 others by the special SIT court. Just bin it. Arvind Kejriwal’s Swaraj – with critical annotations in blue, Islam’s war on liberty: Not just a clash, but a war of civilisations, The Glorious Abundance and Creativity of the Robotic Age, Dangers of Proportional Representation in India, Copyright © 2021 Sanjeev Sabhlok's blog. On the way, coach S6 of Sabarmati Express was set on fire. Did he try to seek help? The 2002 Gujarat riots were triggered by the death of 59 'kar-sevaks' in the Godhra train burning incident. I removed this sentence because it provides no information. We don’t have to take sides. Indeed, Madhu Kishwar has fallen for such argument. It appears that the decision to put the plan into action was taken on the previous evening. The train reached Godhra railway station five hours late, at about 7.45 am, though it was scheduled to arrive there at 2.45 am. The tale of Ayodhya Ayodhya is a small town located on the banks of river Sarayu in the state of Uttar Pradesh. I would urge you to PROVE to me the precise method by which the train got burnt. Lastly, let me also add, I was in Gujarat, Gandhinagar at that time studying. Why the Godhra verdict is humane. For instance, army was in Gujarat within 48 hours. Udhwani has commuted the sentence of the 11 convicts into life imprisonment. Do you see these as sufficient reasons to rule out premeditated murder? Sanjeev Sabhlok, pl read this: GODHRA: THE TRUE STORY by Nicole Elfi http://www.jaia-bharati.org/nicole-elfi/ni-godhra-ang.htm. There have been three incidents of massive communal violence in recent decades. In 2011, there were riots in London. Sarfy, I agree with the general tenor of your analysis. SECOND point that Sanjeev makes is <<<>>> This is again absurd and not an objective analysis. Our role is to ensure that the state abides by the constitution and upholds international standards. If they wanted revenge, it could have been done in a neutral state like MP also. Noida, ... was burnt on February 27, 2002 at Godhra station, triggering riots in the state. Shortly after the train left the Godhra railway station at 7: 48 a.m., a mob (the estimates of the numbers of which have ranged from 500 to 2000) stopped it. October 9, 2017, 15:59 IST explore: India But, recently, in a verdict given by the Gujarat High Court, the bench of Justices Anant S Dave and G.R. November 19, 2014 7:00 pm. That is the question to be tested/confirmed. 59 people died that day but can a state hang eleven people for the crime committed? Nanavati Commission has said “Muslim mob burnt the train”http://www.hindu.com/2008/09/26/stories/2008092660541300.htm. You forget (since clearly you are NOT interested in finding out!!) I believe through his actions he incited Gujarat and CAUSED the mayhem that followed. Please tell me exactly which articles by you are you refering to, where do I start from in order to understand what you are trying to say. These are BOGUS reports. 40 likes. To understand the Godhra incident, we will have to begin our journey in another city - Ayodhya. Muslims continue to get shielded, whether it is riots cases or terror cases. A court in the Indian state of Gujarat convicts 31 people of the 2002 train attack in the town of Godhra that sparked deadly riots across the state. If the Muslims of Godhra had to burn down the train, they could have chosen any location, except waiting till the train entered this staunchly Hindu state. There have been major riots in Gujarat in 1967, 69, 1980s and 90s. Terror attacks are normally not done on temples. It is crucial that the state draw some lessons. Avinash, this reference is useless. The first charge-sheet in the Godhra Train Burning case was filed by DySP KC Bawa, the Investigating Officer, on 22nd May 2002 alleging that the S6 coach was burnt from outside by the use of some inflammable fluid (He did not clearly specify whether the inflammable fluid was petrol, kerosene or … Since 2002, we continue to see incidents of vigilante violence, often based on racial or religious prejudice. Give his OWN Bandh call. We take you back in time to the Naroda Patiya and Gulbarg Society massacres in the aftermath of the Godhra riots. © 1998-2019 Zee Media Corporation Ltd (An Essel Group Company), All The High Court has upheld the 2011 special court ruling, convicting 31 and acquitting 63. Allow them to parade them. Ashish Khetan picks apart Judge Patel’s verdict and shows how a devious lie was constructed. The High Court has blamed the state administration for its failure to maintain law & order, leading to kar seva. Has justice been done in giving life imprisonment terms for 11 convicts of the Godhra train burning incident? Photograph:( Reuters ) ... 59 people died in a fire inside the Sabarmati Express train near the Godhra railway station in the Indian state of Gujarat. So to call it a Modi story as absurd requires more facts. Questions about the Godhra case ... inflammable material is needed to set on fire the compartment in the same manner as it was burned in less than 25 ... had repaired many parts of the train. It's All about Fact and Truth Assamese Irredentism – a comment by Nari Rustomji, 1983, My critique of Christopher Snowdon’s deplorable article in The Quillette, Further appeal by Indian students separated from spouses by Australia’s criminal lockdowns. The Gujarat High Court, for instance, said that it was highly charged communal environment at that time, and the state administration should have been much more active in ensuring the protection of pilgrims, particularly in an area that was known to be prone to violence. The 2002 Gujarat riots, also known as the 2002 Gujarat violence and the Gujarat pogrom, was a three-day period of inter-communal violence in the western Indian state of Gujarat.The burning of a train in Godhra on 27 February 2002, which caused the deaths of 58 Hindu pilgrims karsevaks returning from Ayodhya, is cited as having instigated the violence. Coach S-6 of the Sabarmati Express, in which 59 people, mostly 'kar sevaks' returning from Ayodhya were travelling, was burnt on February 27, 2002 at the Godhra station, triggering riots in the state. On the fateful morning of 27 February 2002, 59 people died in a fire inside the Sabarmati Express train near the Godhra railway station in the Indian state of Gujarat. On 27 February 2002, the train made its scheduled stop at Godhra about four hours late, at 7:43 am. In the Gujarat cases, because of interventions of the Supreme Court, the National Human Rights Commission, and the appointment of independent investigators, there has been progress in a number of cases. Godhra Train Burning: HC faults State Govt, Orders Rs 10 Lakh for Victims' Kin. It is the responsibility of the state to protect lives, and the administration clearly failed to take necessary steps to protect the pilgrims. Their reasoning is that the muslims started it when they burned the train the godhra and therefore what happened afterwards is totally justified. Sure, I would like to understand what are you are trying to say. How are you relating this to Modi. Coach S-6 of the Sabarmati Express, in which 59 people, mostly 'kar sevaks'?returning from Ayodhya, were travelling, was burnt on February 27, 2002 at Godhra station, triggering riots in the state. Just focus on my key point – That MODI IS A HUGE LIAR AND PLANNER OF MAJOR KILLINGS OF INDIANS. The hearing on the case has continued for more than a decade. The Patel judgement fully admitted the story. There was scuffle between the … The Gujarat government brings the charred bodies to Ahmedabad and makes every attempt to … In 2002 riots, justice has actually been delivered. If he was not lying, then his inability to stop further deaths becomes a case of INCOMPETENCE or dereliction of duty, which is a smaller misdemeanour/crime. Further, I am absolutely no clear, how on earth you are denying the history. Not arrest VHP leaders to prevent violence. I have strong proof that Modi has been lying from day one on this matter. The 'secular' media and some political parties try to minimise the tragedy, with some going to the extent of blaming the victims. The Gujarat High Court has cited 2 reasons for commuting the death sentence: "overcrowdedness" of the coach & "more than 100 people could escape". Disprove my findings one by one. 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